Curse

pumpkin pie · Nov 15, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by Azza

I hope the last statement rings true and after the evaluation they put back exploitable corpses on the pets. or is it going to be stuff the PVE`ers "AGAIN" and "AGAIN" and "AGAIN" and "AGAIN". ETC ETC ETC
ps leave the Buff on barrage and take the nerf off Splinter as well. :-))))

I think the buff on Barrage is to compensate the lost of exploitable pets corpses for tomb run, if i guess correctly, if corpses are back, barrage will be back to as it was most probably.

on another note:
I still don't understand nerfing pvp or balancing pvp, in my understanding, in PvP your team try to win with a build that your team thinks is the super duper build, if team A super duper build cannot win over team B super duper Build, every time this happens Anet has to nerf some skill just so the super duper build of team B can be taken down? why can't team C, D, E, F, et cetera come up with a super duper X 2 build to counter the super duper build of team B? instead of alway relying on anet to nerf/balance the arena so that a team can win? if team C, D, E, F, et cetera cannot even come up with a super duper build to counter the super duper team B build, then team B deserve to be champion? No?

I am not sure that is clear, but bleh, thats the best i can explain what I am thinking about nerf/ skill balancing atm.

Azza · Nov 15, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Colva Thrull

And how many times has Anet reverted a nerf??

Here, let's count them now:

1.

lol, perhaps i should cut my fingers off first then try counting

Whirlwind · Nov 15, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

No one has hit on the fact this is another hit to the 'traditional' DoA team in foundry of failed creations. The normal obs/healers/sb/dmg team generally used a pet to consume corpse back through the doors for a easier time with some of the big spawns, not any more ~

Whirlwind · Nov 15, 2007, 06:59 AM // 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azza

I hope the last statement rings true and after the evaluation they put back exploitable corpses on the pets. or is it going to be stuff the PVE`ers "AGAIN" and "AGAIN" and "AGAIN" and "AGAIN". ETC ETC ETC
ps leave the Buff on barrage and take the nerf off Splinter as well. :-))))

Wow, would you like your cake and to eat it too? Maybe they could give ya a few hundred bucks for free while theyre at it? =P j/k !

Elrien Silentfoot · Nov 15, 2007, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

No one has hit on the fact this is another hit to the 'traditional' DoA team in foundry of failed creations. The normal obs/healers/sb/dmg team generally used a pet to consume corpse back through the doors for a easier time with some of the big spawns, not any more ~

What doors are you talking about?

And if this is really the exploit they're trying to fix, they should just add a script which moves the pet corpses to the "right" side of the door when the doors close.

tyrant rex · Nov 15, 2007, 07:06 AM // 07:06

i hope they leave this change and nerf the ursan form skill i also hope they remove consumables

anonymous · Nov 15, 2007, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by Colva Thrull

And how many times has Anet reverted a nerf??

Here, let's count them now:

1.

Just for the sake of being correct:

1. Searing Flames was returned to its original burning duration after they nerfed it
2. They removed exhaustion from the rit spike skills from the exhaustion nerf (lol)

That would be 2, but I don't really feel like checking over all the update notes to see what was reversed. Just because they haven't reversed many nerfs doesn't mean they won't ever, maybe they are happy with the way the nerf changed the game and had no reason to change it back, even though I don't like with the pet corpse nerf, if ANet thinks the game is more balanced that way then they have no reason to change it back.

=P

Azza · Nov 15, 2007, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

Wow, would you like your cake and to eat it too? Maybe they could give ya a few hundred bucks for free while theyre at it? =P j/k !

I know u where only joking at my tounge in cheek about request for reversing Splinter but ummmm yeah, if i could have my cake and eat it as well plus extras with topping and a cherry on top i wouldn`t say no

CHunterX · Nov 15, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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Originally Posted by Colva Thrull

And how many times has Anet reverted a nerf??

Here, let's count them now:

1.

LOL WUT.

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Pets receive DP in PvP only.

Pets should not leave an exploitable corpse in PvP only.

That is all.

Seconded.
Why not just make all Assassins not have an exploitable corpse. Because thats how much sense this nerf makes.

HawkofStorms · Nov 15, 2007, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whirlwind

No one has hit on the fact this is another hit to the 'traditional' DoA team in foundry of failed creations. The normal obs/healers/sb/dmg team generally used a pet to consume corpse back through the doors for a easier time with some of the big spawns, not any more ~

Eh... you could get a skill to auto kill a flesh golem where you want it and use its consumable corpse instead of the pet to teleport where you want to go.

jezz · Nov 15, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Why not just make pet res...Comfort Animal and Revive Animal PvE only...and revert pets back to exploitable.

legion_rat · Nov 15, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Why dont they simply make PvP skills and PvE skill two different sets. Make it like its two different games. This was all the stupid exploits in PvP dont screw up PvE.

I was going to rant and bitch but I didnt.

~the rat~

Elrien Silentfoot · Nov 15, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by jezz

Why not just make pet res...Comfort Animal and Revive Animal PvE only...and revert pets back to exploitable.

Yeah, we should write beastmasters out of the PvP game ENTIRELY.

While we're at it, let us make protection prayers self target only. /sarcasm

jezz · Nov 15, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by Elrien Silentfoot

Yeah, we should write beastmasters out of the PvP game ENTIRELY.

While we're at it, let us make protection prayers self target only. /sarcasm

my apologies..
maybe if playing an actual Beastmaster in PvP pet res only activates with 13 or more in BM..and possibly lengthen recharge of pet res depending on BM level too..
and revert pets back to normal in PvE...

as i see pets now they are obsolete with excepton to true Beastmaster or players just wanting to display pets like a trophy..for eg Spider and Rainbow Phoenix.

Frogtree · Nov 15, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

/signed. This is just a strange nerf. Now I have to try to get the Ursan build working (i.e. maxed titles) so I can get on a DOA team.

Ben-A-BoO · Nov 15, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

I still don't get the "pets ~ no exploitable corpse" change.
It makes no logic within the game mechanic system as stated earlier (post 7 post 41)

It's not about B/P Tombs runs even if they are classic.
It's about pvp and to be honest, I haven't read one complain about pet/ minion factories being that off a big problem in HA (even less in GvG) before the change. You don't want minions in pvp? well then move 'em to pve-only-skills.

Sleeper Service · Nov 15, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by timebandit

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You don't want minions in pvp? well then move 'em to pve-only-skills.

LOL and make sins, paragons and wth monks to PVE only too.

if its too hard Anet can make them some nice pvp only skills.

Izzys Blessing, 5e 1r

all skillbars on all players are replaced with random core skills for 30 days.

Yakumo · Nov 15, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

/signed

A pet that leaves no corpse is somewhat unnatural.

Rangers, the tree huggers that they are, are at one with nature. They have the ability to charm a wild animal to be a companion. The animal is tamed to be their pet.

To rid themselves of a pet, Rangers can visit a Pet Tamer, and sell their animal.

To say that after charming an animal (a fleshy creature), it would no longer leave a corpse, would suggest that the animal was not simply tamed, but manipulated in an unnatural and dirty way. *stare daggers at Necros everywhere*

To suggest that some form of necromancy is at work, does not match the concept of what a Ranger is, that of a berry gathering naturalist.

As it stands, I do not feel like a tree hugging, berry gathering naturalist who had bravely and proudly tamed a wild and vicious reef lurker. Instead, I feel uneasy and awkward knowing that I'm actually walking around with a demonic manifestation in the form of an ethereal entity wearing a colourful crab suit.

Please revert this change, my demonic manifestation scares me... it bleeds.

Wulfgast · Nov 15, 2007, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

Izzys Blessing, 5e 1r

all skillbars on all players are replaced with random core skills for 30 days.

LOL, this needs to happen.

PvP balances are affecting PvE far too much, and this particular nerf makes no sense. /signed to revert.

rohara · Nov 15, 2007, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by timebandit

It's not about B/P Tombs runs even if they are classic.
It's about pvp and to be honest, I haven't read one complain about pet/ minion factories being that off a big problem in HA (even less in GvG) before the change. You don't want minions in pvp? well then move 'em to pve-only-skills.

wow you must live under a rock then. people complained SO much about the team build that caused all these problems - that's the reason they changed the amount of heroes you could take into HA from 4 to 2. that's also the reason soul reaping was nerfed in the first place.

there are many variations of this build, but here it is - http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...ainted_Heroway

picture this.

you're getting your face bashed in by 2 (usually 3) rangers w/hammers, 2 (usually 3) pets and you have barbs on you, your whole team has -10 degen from conditions and hexes, you're knocked down in savannah heat, there's minions w/death nova everywhere, and you can't kill anything because the necros (which you can't hit, because they stand in wards) have INFINITE ENERGY from spirits and pets, and all your are teammates dying in one big bomb because of eoe, aoe, and rising bile.

that sound balanced to you?

sorry, but making a few pve mm's cry over pet corpses is NOTHING compared to the torture pvp'ers have been dealing with for the past year. it was just too good of an exploit. if you thought it was good in bp groups...imagine how good it was when exploited by skillful players in pvp.

who gives a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if it doesn't make sense logically. this is a game where we shoot fireballs out of our hands and make ghosts rise up and throw globs of green goo at our enemies ffs. balance is more important than any rationalization about how dead cats can be turned into zombies.